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Heeer’s Osama by the Bastard on Bring It On (http://www.teambio.org/)

The new operations of al-Qaida has not happened not because we could not penetrate the security measures. It is being prepared and you’ll see it in your homeland very soon,” he is also offering a long term truce.
Posted in Current Affairs

I saw a comment by the Cranky Liberal for one of the posts on Wide Awakes. In his comment, he suggested that we (conservatives) come over to a liberal blog to have some serious debate. I went over to his blog, read some posts and decided a debate would be pretty much useless. My decision was based on the logic and reasoning of some of the writings, or should I say lack thereof.

I decided a few days later to try it again. I read the post above (http://www.teambio.org/2006/01/heeeeeres-osama/#comments). Then I made the mistake of reading the comment section. As of this writing, all comments written are below.
My comments follow…

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1. Jamison Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 11:04 am
I don’t think there is any better advertisement for what can only be described as complete failure of leadership by the Republican party. The Uber terrorist of our age has alluded the incompetent Republicans for 5 years now and is offering them a peace deal because he knows they can’t get him. It’s time for some people who care about the future of this country to be put in charge. This is an outrage. Are we taking bets on how long it will take the Republicans to link him to Iran?

OK, the “Uber” terrorist of the ages alludes those nasty conservatives for 5 years and then what? Tires out? Doesn’t want to play anymore? Feels sorry for GW? Maybe he’ll throw GW a bone and give up? Jamison, I don’t know how you would fight a war…probably not even an option, but if Osama were winning, he wouldn’t basically give up. My God, get a brain. One asks for a truce when one is LOSING! He’s offering peace because he’s tired of getting his ass kicked and his terrorists killed. If he loses any more men, equipment or money, he won’t be able to launch a counterstrike.

2. icoman Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 11:08 am
I’m sure Osama is confident that he is in a bargaining position since Bush’s foolish tactics have served to inflame Islam and to increase terrorism worldwide. However, unlike some of the anti-war critics in the U.S., I simply can not trust these Muslim radicals. Their religion dictates world dominance and I have found little to suggest that they will not continue to force their dogma on everyone. Islam must be confronted but we now know that bombs and bullets are not the solution.

Do you two live together or something? Or perhaps share the same brain? Osama is in a bargaining position? Yes, if I were he, I’d be begging for my life and mercy too. Remember Saddam’s minister of misinformation? Claiming American bodies were all over the airport because Iraq was kicking our ass? I’m surprised he didn’t “offer” a truce since he had the upper hand. Oh that’s right, he was too busy running like a little girl away from our military to offer a truce. At least you state you can’t “trust” the Muslim radicals and show an understanding of the religion. Kudos for that.

3. The Bastard Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 11:16 am
Icoman,
Of course it’s not bombs and guns. It’s the Christian doctrine this and many other western countries have upheld for god knows how long that pushed the radicals to become radicals. And again it’s fucking religions of peace that seem to kill thousands on a daily basis. Religion sucks!

Yes Bastard, that’s right. However, you may need a history lesson. Christianity is roughly 700 years older than the religion of Islam. That fact kind of puts a damper on your argument. But cheer up! You’re a liberal and facts don’t matter.

4. icoman Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 11:40 am
Well, we know now why faith-based religions suck. They are divisive and will continue to create separatism and hostility. It’s their nature. But I’ve yet to hear any good solutions on how to confront these myth dealers. Yes, secularism is increasing but it still only represents less than a quarter of the people in the world. Any ideas?

Faith based religion compared to???????.......reality based religion? If you know any philosophy, perhaps you’ll come to the conclusion that NOTHING is real, and everyone is just a figment of my imagination…AAAAAAAAHHHHH! MORE PROZAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5. The Bastard Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 11:42 am
A crusade

You’ll never win. Conservatives believe in gun ownership, liberals don’t. I honestly don’t think you’d last.

6. icoman Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 12:01 pm
Bush used the “crusade” word right after 9-11 and was quickly told to can it. Somewhere I heard that there are thousands of Mormons who have been trained to speak Arabic and who are ready to go to the mid-east and start their conversions. Maybe we should just send ‘em all in. I still think that spraying the whole area with crop dusters to steralize all the men would work better, lol.

“Hello Miss Alahumbarajada, have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? I would like to give you a copy of the Watchtower. May we come in to your lovely mud hut?”
Bang, bang, bang. Chop, chop, saw, saw.

7. LiberPaul Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 12:08 pm
Icoman,
Egad! While I agree that there is no way to reason with the most ardent beleivers, I don’t know that I want to engage in a Genocide (see the UN definition before you think I mean that we kill tham all). There are no easy answers….

I’ll say it again…we breed them with the French, and they become too lazy to work OR fight.

PM
8. The Bastard Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 12:13 pm
Well, I would think some hardcore diplomacy and getting to the root of the problem would be a start. One of the reasons I read it took so long to get the Palestinians to come around was because Hezbolah fed them, clothed them, provided health care to them all with a heaping mound of radicalism on top.
That should have been us doing that, you know “hearts and minds”. It’s a long conversion process because we spent so long ignoring the problem. And it doesn’t produce immediate results, atleast not within four years so no one wants to tackle it that way. Nope, it’s just better to lock ourselves into a 10-15 year conflict and kill things, it’s the smart way to go. Plus it wins you elections.

That’s the ticket, hardcore psychoanalysis of the terrorists. Perhaps their dad didn’t love them, they weren’t allowed a pet camel when they were little, they were de-panted at the local mud hole and the girls made fun of them… Lie on the couch Akmed and tell me your problems. Here, I’ll hang on to the suicide vest for you…
It’s called behavior modification, better known as a Daisy cutter…

9. ken grandlund Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 12:14 pm
While the “experts” are determining whether or not this is actually a missive from bin Laden, let us be clear about something…
Peace can not come from the mouths of killers, whether they wear Muslim or Christian clothing. Peace comes from the people who live and work side by side.
Neither bin Laden or Bush have a vested interest in ending the conflict now or any time in the near future, and though their immediate goals may differ, their long term methods are the same- forcing a particular religious mindset on the world.
To me, this is a confusing missive. Conservatives will likely interpret this supposed talk of a truce as evidence that we are winning and forcing the enemy to the table through force. Liberals will interpret this as evidence that we can negotiate peace through appeasement. Both positions contain elements of truth as well as falsehood.
If the message is real, then both leaders need to pubically and loudly proclaim a cease-fire and establish talks through intermediaries. Both leaders will have to accept responsiibility for the decisions they’ve made that have led us to the point where we are today. Both leaders, who insist that peace can be found, must be willing to relinquish their own ambitions, and indeed themselves to a higher rule of law to show they are serious. But we know that won’t be done.
Bin Laden says that attacks are in the works and will occur. Bush says he’s been keeping us safe. In this, I think bin Laden is probably the more correct, simply because the efforts of Bush have been mere show, like putting make-up over a black eye. See, problem fixed!
But the problem won’t ever be fixed until both sides lay down their arms, set aside religious mythology, and decide that living and working together is better than dying by each others hands.

That’s correct, Bush doesn’t want the war to end. It’s been such a fantastic time for him. He can’t take much more praise from the press, and talk about the cash rolling in from all the oil and Halliburton contracts. And we all know, sooner or later those Muslim scamps will break from Islam and turn to Christianity; they just need a bigger hug.
You know, if we take away the wiretapping, Osama will have an even BETTER chance at success. So let’s all climb on the ACLU bandwagon and give Osama the best chance at a successful attack. We’ll stop wiretapping, racial profiling, torture, and publish every covert and classified secret we can on Al-Jazeera. Woo-hoo! (Remember: Terrorists only have to be correct once, and we have to be correct ALL THE TIME.)
I think someone needs a nap and then study the Koran; you’ll see just how peaceful that religion is.

10. icoman Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 12:21 pm
The free world politicians will not touch this subject. Perhaps, these blogs are the only way to discuss this important issue. Somehow the world must come to realize that religions are based on ancient tribal superstitions and conform to authoritarian absolutes which stifle progress. It’s time for them to take a back seat to the skeptical inquiry of science. Education and civilization have certainly worked. Communist dictatorships have certainly worked. One takes too long to employ and the other is not humane. Next solution please.

Let me see if I am understanding this correctly: Are you talking about Islam being the religion with authoritarian absolutes stifling progress or Christianity too? My minister has a laptop and is quite adept at using it. Sermons are online. I am going to side with Christians being modern while Muslims terrorists live in mud huts with no luxuries, or cable (it’s forbidden).
Now are we talking about American education? I’ll have to disagree unless you’re saying it’s a great way to indoctrinate the young. About the communist dictatorship working…you’re obviously insane and can’t think rationally, or you’re a relative of Stalin (about 20 million dead); yeah that works great! I think I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt though and agree that education takes too long and communist dictatorships are not humane.

11. The Bastard Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
God damn it Ken, that was exactly what I was gonna say!!!
Religion is just old world politics. A way to control a mans mind. Bush knows it all to well and so does Osama. I truly believe that don’t don’t even believe in this religious crap but they know it controls the masses. No different than a two bit TV Evangelist knows the power that belief systems carry. They are all schmucks and should be taken out back a shot!**
**Note to NSA: That is not a threat it is just a statement and I in no way meant any harm to Osama.

It took me a few comments but The Bastard is a communist moron that’s either too stupid to understand what he is saying or too dangerous to be without some serious medication (God, if we only had socialized medicine, the Bastard could get the high quality medical care he obviously needs.)
Religion controls the mind…well it does lay the groundwork for morals and values, unlike the Bastard’s religion of Government.

12. icoman Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 12:39 pm
Halt, this isn’t just the U.S. against al qaida. The Sunni resistance and who knows who else are also in this mess. A truce is not going to stop all the factions. We need to confront the religious aspect sooner or later. This has to be on the table.

MY LORD, I THINK HE’S GOT IT!!!

13. jerseymcjones Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 12:41 pm
OBL plays Bush and America like am ass flute. He flatulates our way and jump up and down like marionettes guided by a nodding smack addict. OBL and Bush got the war they were looking for. Americans deserve what they got.
JMJ

Uhhhh…….well…….yeah. Osama has us right where he wants us…in between doing what’s right and his allies, the liberal Democrats. Unfortunately JMJ, you’re an idiot (I’m pointing my finger at you). Innocent people never deserve to die.

14. The Bastard Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 12:55 pm
That’s not fair Jersey, not all Americans wanted this.
Icoman, that is why I am for a withdrawl of Iraq. Move all the troops to Afghanistan and fix that country and then figure out a way to help Iraq without pointing a gun at it. Right now it is hopeless. They can tell us we are fighting foreign insurgencies but we all know it is mostly Iraqis. There needs to be a cooling down period. Then we need to have Halliburton go back in……….
Dick, give me back my keyboard!!!
Then we need to have the UN or someone other than ourselves go in and make nice because lord knows we fucked shit up over there. By “we” I mean “them”, you know, the administration.

Hopeless I tell you, HOPELESS! They’ve only had a few elections and a duly elected government, but DAMMIT JIM, WE CAN’T KEEP UP THIS CHARADE OF A DEMOCRACY!!!!! Insurgents…yes, foreign insurgents are so much harder to kill than Iraqi insurgents are. I’m sure they can tell them apart by their accents and looks. Perhaps if we all just took a step back….we could get a better shot.
And DAMMIT we need someone or some institution well known for recognizing and solving the world’s problems with a successful track record; a record of peaceful negotiations and resolutions. An institution far above reproach and ethically and morally superior to us all….and since the Clinton’s are busy, let’s call the UN – they solve everything!

15. liberal vet Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 12:57 pm
Great comments. The question is can we trust Osama or Bush. Both are god-bots hell bent on a religious war. Until man divorces himself from believing in a supreme being, paradise heaven or hell we are doomed. Many want the middle east to become a major battleground, and are well on there way to fulfilling that wish. Xian fundies would love to see Armageddon, ya baby we’re going to heaven now all worries are over. As I have said religion is a form of mental illness, unfortunately it’s untreatable. Mankind believes it is superior to all other living sentient beings. We are an arrogant and filthy animal. Despite that we have potential. Science must come to the forefront and convince people we are nothing more than biologically evolved beings. Just my thoughts. Fondly, LV

There is so much wrong with this comment…starting with the first TWO WORDS! Anyone who would take the word of a terrorist over the President of the United States of America is a fucking traitor and does not deserve the freedom and liberties this great country provides (and if you think Bush has taken those freedoms and liberties from you already…GOOD! Godless Asshole!)
Religion is not a mental disease; liberalism is…proven by this comment section. I will agree that YOU, LV, are an arrogant filthy animal devoid of logic and reason, and on the evolutionary scale, equivalent to a species known as the Teddicus Kennedyactus.
I understand these are your thoughts…please don’t have anymore.

16. icoman Says :
January 19th, 2006 at 1:07 pm
Right LV. Religion is the problem and we are letting religious fanatatics discuss the solutions. Ridiculous. First off, they let Iraq put god and islam into their Constitution. That has to go. They must accept a secular state or no deal. Somebody take Bush out back and slap him around a few times until he starts getting some sense in his head.

Sometimes I have to believe abortions are the correct thing to do…More liberals have abortions than conservatives…we need to increase the number of liberal abortions ASAP. Hopefully, icoman and the Bastard won’t procreate, and save us all from anymore secular stupidity.